ANR’s Brexit mailbag : a defining moment in UK history?

From Peter Duncan : Brexit

Thank you for posting the comments from Rhys.

Odd it takes a football blog to have a sensible comment on Brexit.

Some people’s reaction to the vote has been quite unbelievable.

From TJG/Kuala Lumpur :  Rhys Jagger


Have just read Rhys Jaggers’ piece Brexit Caused By Disconnect.

It is an excellent article and I agree with everything he’s written.

I have lived overseas for 51 of the past 55 years in Australia, Hongkong, Singapore, Cyprus and now Malaysia.

There’s not only a disconnect between the government and the governed in Britain/Europe — it’s right across the world.  If anybody thinks racisim is rife in England they should live in the Far East awhile where it is institutionalised, particularly in China, Japan, South Korea and Malaysia.

England is the most racially tolerant country I have been to and I’ve travelled to around 60.

From Ivan :  If only the Brits reflected a bit more

Hi Myles,

I’m not sure the/your blog has much more appetite for a discussion about the Brexit.

But I couldn’t resist trying to respond to Rhys.

While I understand why Brexit happened – for all the reasons Rhys describes, notably being part of the EU does nothing to help wage growth or support rise in living standards amongst UK working class (or lower socioeconomic groups) – I still find amazing to hear about the issues regarding freedom of movement and unchecked migration.

Ultimately British growth and place in this world is partly (if not more than partly) built on the back of transferring resources/wealth without compensation from various parts of the world to inside the UK. I mean the Brits are partly responsible for this globalised world and the fact that their political and economic system is geared to rewarding the middle-upper and upper class is not the fault of the EU or of ‘German imperialism’.

Brits never embraced Europe nor did they ever elect/ have on offer any politicians wanting to integrate themselves properly in the European system.

I mean Brits/Americans/Australians all want the ‘other’ to speak English and then when the ‘other’ learns English and came to their country they complain that they are taking their jobs.

There has been some economic studies done that have suggested that large batches of migration does not necessarily have a negative impact on wage-growth/employment etc. There are other factors that are more important.

One crucial factor is the ability of a system to enable transition from low-medium skilled employment/industries to medium-high skilled industries.

How does one do that – you have to look at Korea/Singapore or a Nordic country for an answer to that.

The problem with the UK was/is Thatcher, Blair, Cameron and now May. Without some kind of enormous shift in the ‘politics’ of UK i.e. introduction of minor parties that actually have policies that address key issues in the UK then the vote to leave/remain doesn’t really matter.

The Battle of Brexit pitted two competing elites against each other – neither vote will or would have helped the UK in anyway.

In terms of my credentials or the reasons why my perspective may be worth anything to Rhys is that my industry and background is ‘public policy’, i’ve studied and lived in Europe. I’m thoroughly middle class and all my friends in Europe are thoroughly middle-upper class and all crying re Brexit. (It’s hard explaining to them that EU does nothing for people outside their ‘class’).

I’m from Australia (so benefited from British imperialism) but background is former Yugoslavian (so suffered from western imperialism).

I think talking about German imperialism and un-feted migration and sharing resources with migrants explains why people voted leave but doesn’t explain why they are in the position they are in. And that is the overall point of this post.

So ultimately the vote to leave says British people would rather get shafted by conservatives in Britain than by austere liberals in the EU.